tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954431553584547718.post4201528610596453264..comments2009-12-05T06:31:59.724-08:00Comments on sally dreama: You could call me thoroughly disgusted.sally dreamahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08206303669537513674noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954431553584547718.post-2918692088152047832009-05-15T23:36:00.000-07:002009-05-15T23:36:00.000-07:00B - thanks for coming and respectfully viewing my ...B - thanks for coming and respectfully viewing my opinion. Unsurprisingly, I still have a response to yours: Okay, so you asked if she said "no" or "stop". Well, no she said she didn't. Had she, there would have been a question of rape. This is not what has been put forth from my understanding. I believe she tried to have them charged with sexual assault, which covers a number of things aside from rape. She has only claimed that she was intimidated, outnumbered 1-12 and therefore there was a power imbalance, and the lack of respect for her during the incident has traumatised her. The misunderstanding a lot of people are having is that she is coming out after seven years, never having said a word about it prior and claiming rape, but that's not the case. She alerted the police five days after the event, and due to lack of evidence, the men could not be charged. Since then she has been treated for post traumatic stress and has been psychologically evaluated and found to be suicidal at different times over the years. Have you watched the Four Corners interview? The big guy (don't remember his name, but he was CEO or something) of NRL is even on her side! He says he met her and could see that she was a broken woman after the incident, and at the time appeared to be nothing more than a very naive little girl. Believe me, I've done my research on this one. I don't like to go out on a limb with stuff like this unless I'm sure of what I'm saying.<br /><br />I did see the woman who said that she was laughing about it all at work, and yeah, I mean that could be true. It doesn't necessarily count her out of being traumatised, though. You know how people sometimes laugh when someone dies? I don't know - this is just me thinking "out loud". I'm not saying there's nothing in it, I'm just looking at all angles, but I honestly don't think I'd give that much credence.<br /><br /><br />Jace - Thanks for your comments, also. Absolutely, this is my opinion-based blog, so yes it's what I see from my perspective. You could perhaps call it speculation. You did just go on to do a decent amount of speculating yourself, and as we will never 100% know what happened, that's really all any of us can do. <br /><br />My judgement is not on the sexual act itself persay... well, personally I think it's pretty foul, but if that's what people want to do, then fine. I will, however, never apologise for judging a bunch of men who took advantage of a young girl. There is a definite power imbalance when there are 12 men to one girl. I'm not commenting on people's right to do what they like in the privacy of their own bedrooms - I'm commenting on this particular incident. And I'm commenting on these footballers' attitude that they can do what they like to women, and break the rules by taking drugs and fighting... as long as they stand in their suits with their hair combed and their clean-shaven forlorn faces, look down the barrel of a camera and say "I'm sorry". It's just not good enough anymore. Truthfully, it never was, and I for one have had a gutfull.<br /><br />And that's my two cents for what it's worth! Thanks everyone for yours. :)sally dreamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08206303669537513674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954431553584547718.post-72139164922984326432009-05-15T00:40:00.000-07:002009-05-15T00:40:00.000-07:00Sally, while I feel for your passionate sentiment ...Sally, while I feel for your passionate sentiment for the girl and the situation she was in.. a lot of what you have said is speculation from her point of view (that she was intimidated.. that surely this was the case.. that obviously this would have happened).. as opposed to the speculation from the point of view of Johns and 'the guys' aka what the media is promoting to give everyone warm fuzzy 'aww poor matty' feelings.<br /><br />I believe what has actually occured is likely somewhere in between. Funny that today a female work colleague of the girl has come out and said she was bragging about it after it happened.<br /><br />Now rightly so she may be traumatized by the experience down the track but obviously at the time she was pretty proud of the achievement.<br /><br />I agree with you completely with your judgments on him doing the wrong thing by being married and having sex with another woman.. and hurting his family.. and most definitely agree that he is a public figure and should not use his position to 'get away' with stuff and should be acting as a role model for young people and not taking part in this kind of stuff.<br /><br />However I really don't think in this day and age you can pass judgment on moral fibre (based on the fact that it was a group sex act), it's an evolving and ever-changing world we live in.. providing acts are consenting.. providing acts are legal.. the 'morality' of it.. is lost in the same way 100 years ago people looked down their moral noses on homosexuals.. Yes there are still people who do so.. but it's much more morally acceptable that (providing no-one is getting hurt, it's consenting, safe and legal) people be gay or live alternative lifestyles.<br /><br />For the record, I'm not writing this because I myself participate or condone the acts.. but I certainly don't condemn them either for those that wish to (legally and safely) participate in those practices.<br /><br />Rightly so he should have been fired.. wrongly that you want to send him to jail for being 'perverted'. I think adultery should be a crime, yes.. but each to their own when it comes to other 'acts'.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05083901476201400956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954431553584547718.post-10495738170652284302009-05-14T23:30:00.000-07:002009-05-14T23:30:00.000-07:00Hey Sally, You asked me to come and read this and ...Hey Sally, You asked me to come and read this and I can see you are passionate about it. I completely respect your opinion and you probably already know that mine differs.. <br /><br />The question I want to ask is did this alleged victim at any point throughout the incident say "No" or "Stop"? I think it's really sweet that this girl gets to come forward 7 years after the incident with her bleeding heart story while keeping her identity anonymous and effectively destroying another person's livelihood.<br /><br />It's now come out of the woodwork that the girl was also bragging about the incident to her friends (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25477148-421,00.html)... Is this fair? It went from being a good time story to something that she's pinning all of her problems on now.<br /><br />People keep saying "How would you feel if this was your daughter?".. Well, some people have daughters who actively go out and try to pick up football players... No parent ever wants that of their children but we can't all be angels.b_lucahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13583634110522986330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954431553584547718.post-28292446918055436062009-05-14T20:41:00.000-07:002009-05-14T20:41:00.000-07:00I think the other men that were involved in this i...I think the other men that were involved in this incident haven't come forward because to this day, they still know what they did was wrong. Morally and physically wrong. Otherwise they would have no problem in coming forward to defend their side of the story. <br />He had no problem lapping up the money, sponsorship deals and attention over the years. I say suffer the consequences of your past actions.aprilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627848363048679183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954431553584547718.post-91575835705660568172009-05-14T19:59:00.000-07:002009-05-14T19:59:00.000-07:00Thanks for your thoughts rob and april.
rob, I ho...Thanks for your thoughts rob and april.<br /><br />rob, I hope you read my entire post, as I have also condemned the other men involved. They definitely shouldn't be leaving it to Matthew Johns to take sole responsibility, but this is the situation and that's what I have commented on. There's not much to say about the other men until they come forward.<br /><br />Again, I find your reaction interesting... You agree that there was wrong doing, but not that there should be consequences? Whether he's out on his own on a limb or not, he still did something very wrong and should pay the price. We can't have people in the public eye behaving this way. If he valued his career, he should not have done what he did. He wasn't a young kid - he was a grown man of thirty years. A married man. He did wrong, and now he's paying for it. End of story.<br /><br />april, I agree - they are making themselves into the victims, and it's not right. They have been well worded up by their PR damage control people, for sure.sally dreamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08206303669537513674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954431553584547718.post-53620270931895726852009-05-14T19:46:00.000-07:002009-05-14T19:46:00.000-07:00I couln't agree with you more Sally! Well said and...I couln't agree with you more Sally! Well said and thoughtfully worded. I think you have hit the nail on the head. 100% Agree!<br />I think that Matthew and his brother Andrew have a publicity team behind them that manage to turn their wrong doings, into them becoming the victim of circumstance. Which is just wrong. <br />I think that people should put themselves into this same situation. Just ponder this thought for a moment. Would YOU justify these actions if it were YOUR daughter in this situation? Mmmm, I think not!aprilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07627848363048679183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6954431553584547718.post-27638733606482652082009-05-14T19:32:00.000-07:002009-05-14T19:32:00.000-07:00I think you are a bit harsh. I am not saying what ...I think you are a bit harsh. I am not saying what Matthew Johns did is right, however where are the guys that joined in? They are the ones that should be taking some of the heat.<br /><br /><A HREF="http://onemansportsnetwork.com" REL="nofollow">rob</A>robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02404668452642621285noreply@blogger.com